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#1 MrDrink

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Posted 09 November 2005 - 11:58 AM

Hi Everybody,

I'm little bit tired to hear all time since we use Alcohol 120% we are a "pirat/hacker" or other things like that.

I use Alcohol 120% since years now and I use it to copy my games that I BUY.

YES, maybe I'm idiot, stupid, retard but I BUY all my games.
WHY ?
Simple.

It's CHEAP and for all hour I pass with them and ALL PLEASURE I have with them, pay $40 US for a game is just good for me.

And in same time it give money to companies games so they can continue to create wonderful games.

But WHY I USE Alcohol 120% ?
Simple

I really don't like (maybe it's a brain disease) use my ORIGINAL CDs/DVDs.
I'm all time scare (and past proof I have reason to think that) that one of my CDs/DVDs game have a scratch and so I can't play my favorite game and need to buy again (send a CDs/DVDs broken to companies take too many time and it's not free)

So for some of you who think everybody are "pirat/hacker" and Alcohol 120% is a pirat program I can tell you it's not true in my case.

And I think I'm not alone to buy games and not want use ORIGINAL CDs/DVDs.

Also, even if I understand, I really don't like need a CD/DVD to play a game in my driver. They are games like Unreal Tournament 2004 where we don't need that.

And Atari continue make money and sell games.
I think a serial key is sufficient to protect a game cause games companies just need record serial they sell on their database. So any keygen program (or just luck) is able to know what serial is sell.

Have a nice day !

PS
I'm impatient to see on store the NEW version 2.0 of Alcohol 120%.
Hope with this version I will able to copy my last games (F.E.A.R., DragonShard, Act of War, GuildWars, Quake 4, Call of Duty 2, etc.)

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Posted 09 November 2005 - 02:34 PM

Enough said! LOL.... clap.gif


Also Mr. Drink, if you have purchased Alcohol you can apply to the customer only forum if you like. It is free with a payed for version of Alcohol, and you will get faster and better support there. Also news of updates is there before we release it here in the public forum.

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 06:41 AM

If applications, games and operating systems had a REAL price tag range that was in reach to everyone then piracy would not be an issue....

P.S i need to see a 64 bit beta or something comming from these guys.
if they dont do it

A) deamon tools will beat them to it and everyone will convert and alcosoft will remain in the dust.

cool.gif alchosoft does it and more people will switch to 64 bit o/s... im seriously thinking about going back just for that reason, and im sure many others will...

alcohol 120% - $50 x100 customers.. im sure will fund a 64bit beta...
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#4 zamiel

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 11:20 AM

Er, Daemon Tools and Alcohol use the same virtual drive drivers.....

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 01:40 AM

so who actually created the virtual driver?

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 03:48 AM

I believe VeNoM386 programs the drivers for Alcohol and Daemon Tools, but I can be wrong , though.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 04:27 AM

That is top secret..... I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you..... LOL.... whistling.gif

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 06:00 AM

QUOTE (Tron @ Nov 24 2005, 08:39 PM)
That is top secret..... I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you..... LOL.... whistling.gif


LOL!

i just wanted to know so i could flood someones inbox..

i did a google search for VeNoM386
and i found an admin user of deamon,..



so.......i guess ill go and anoy him for a bit

hehehe

#9 MaLing

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 06:26 AM

Before you searched in Google, why had you not searched here in Alcohool first? wink.gif

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 07:08 AM

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so.......i guess ill go and anoy him for a bit


While I am sure that you are joking, I think you will find the Dtools forum has the same policy as us concerning questions relating to new versions etc so before asking for information on new versions I would be sure to check their topics first as you will be able to find the answers there.

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I believe VeNoM386 programs the drivers for Alcohol and Daemon Tools,


Alcohol and Daemon Tools development teams have been working hand in hand for years now I am sure this is no secret.

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A) deamon tools will beat them to it and everyone will convert and alcosoft will remain in the dust.


There is no race so there is no finishing line smile.gif we recommend to our customers to use Dtools as a method to run their images on second computer.

As for a mass jump to 64Bit I think while yes in the future this will come you would be surprised at how many people are still using Win9XX OS. so the % of users running 64Bit at the moment can be counted on the hand of a three toed newt smile.gif

#11 Combiseries

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 07:54 AM

I would like to add my bit to the Piracy thing.

There was a time where I bought a game that cost the earth, my baby daughter got hold of it in her mouth and bit it, so scratching it until it was beyond repair. My older daughter decided to grab one and bend it until it snapped. Hundred english pounds gone in a few seconds.

So having tried Nero to back up my games, I found that it would not copy the majority of them, I searched the internet and found Alcohol 120%, so I tried the trial version and loved it. I bought the retail straight away, and have never looked back. Every game I get I copy and use as a virtual disk in a virtual drive. That way I can box the originals up and they are out of the way of prying fingers. (Babies and older kids get jam on them.)

So if I hear of someone telling me that it is Piracy I quickly clip them across the earhole and ask them how would they like it if they lost nearly one hundred english pounds in a day. Anyhow, I am pretty sure that we are allowed to make one copy for personal backup uses.

But this backup thing is all to pot in the law anyway. I heard somewhere that when we record a tv program we are supposed to erase the video after 29 days. So all those films you taped from tv and sattelite last year are all illegal so where do we stand.

I once went to a car boot sale and found loads of pirate games for sale, I asked what program they used to copy them and they told me Nero. Having recognised some titles I told her of the copy protection and how they would not work if I bought some. I didn`t tell her about Alcohol as she would only make pirate copies that did work, its not fair on the companies who spend loads making the games. So I told her that I wouldn`t waste my money and hoped that someone would shop her after finding that the game they bought didn`t work.

I also found some in a Salvation Army Charity shop. I told em straight away and they threw them in the bin.

So it all comes down to what type of consience you`ve got, I am a Christian so I am not into copying games for Piracy, but I have asked God about copying them for safety and personal use and he says its okay.

So if God says its okay then I m pretty much going to copy everything I got and save my originals from getting damaged.

Besides, there may come a time when the drives on my computer fail and I cannot afford to buy a new one straight away. Then at least I can still play my games until I can afford a new one as they are all on virtual drives, HOORAY......

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 02:04 PM

I don't buy PC games, but that might have something to do with the fact I have no need to play PC games, considering I own an Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and an Xbox 360.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 11:41 PM

Im starting to like gameing on the PC more then on console. Yes you dont need to upgrade your PS2 or XBOX every 6 months but the computers games are just so much better. And nearly every game that is sold for console is out on PC as well.

Alcohol 120% is a good program, people use it for bad things, but the program is still good.

#14 Combiseries

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 12:33 PM

Yes PC gaming is so much better, and didn`t you know that you can emulate all those consoles on the PC anyway.

But what would be the point.......

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 03:39 PM

Hey combiseries, as a gamer dont you think its time to upgrade that card???

I would suggest getting atleast a Nvidia 6800 card. Its only got 12 pipelines but there are 4 software locked ones that can be unlocked to make it a 6800GT. This card costs 180$ USD, and is about 10x better then the 9550 your running.

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 06:12 PM

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I once went to a car boot sale and found loads of pirate games for sale, I asked what program they used to copy them and they told me Nero. Having recognised some titles I told her of the copy protection and how they would not work if I bought some. I didn`t tell her about Alcohol as she would only make pirate copies that did work, its not fair on the companies who spend loads making the games. So I told her that I wouldn`t waste my money and hoped that someone would shop her after finding that the game they bought didn`t work.


Well, Combiseries, you know these games do work althought they are massively copied with Nero. The secret is simple: the c r a c k . No pirate strugles to bypass copy protections with programs such as Alcohol. They all simply use Nero- which is installed in almost every computer, distributed with almost every burner and included in it's price, so they don't have to pay additional money for it- and the easilly found in the web and widly circulating around c r a c k s. The blacklistings e.t.c. exist for us, the paid customers, in case we give a copy to a friend without any profit... So the countless downloads of c r a c k s, keygens and cracked games from the internet and the countless illegal copies sold from the real pirates are successfully anticipated by the restrain of our right for a backup image/copy in case we give a copy of a game, which we bought for 30, 40 or 50 euros or dollars, to a friend for free? blink.gif wacko.gif
Should we cry "long live the paranoia"? stupid.gif ban.gif

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 10:49 PM

WOW! Ok, I guess I should first let everyone know that I came here today checking to see if a 64 bit version of alcohol has been released yet, and on top of finding out that it is, of course, not out yet, I also found some ignorant post about games...so I had to join this forum just so I could correct a few things here.

QUOTE (Spider-One @ Nov 25 2005, 09:16 AM)
I don't buy PC games, but that might have something to do with the fact I have no need to play PC games, considering I own an Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and an Xbox 360.


I also own an Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast, and will soon own an XBOX 360, BUT guess what else I own? A PC...and I use them all. To say that you have no need to play PC games, but then go on about how you use every console doesn't really make too much since. Now if you were to simply say you don't like PC gaming, then that would be fine, and very reasonable.

QUOTE (2005 @ Nov 25 2005, 06:53 PM)
Im starting to like gameing on the PC more then on console. Yes you dont need to upgrade your PS2 or XBOX every 6 months but the computers games are just so much better. And nearly every game that is sold for console is out on PC as well.

Alcohol 120% is a good program, people use it for bad things, but the program is still good.



Stating that computer games are just so much better is solely a matter of opinion. I’ve played PC games that were also out on consoles that are, in my opinion, better, for example, GTA San Andreas. Yes, I know the graphics are better on the PC version, but because of the crappy support for game controllers on windows, analog buttons don’t exist, unless of course you can manage to map a button to an axis, and THEN get it to work in the game. So unless you can stand playing, or like playing GTA SA with a keyboard and mouse then you can’t play it on PC. I didn’t really want to buy it for Xbox, but control is a priority for me when it comes to buying a game. Unfortunately the only games I can play on a PC are some racing games, and FPS.


QUOTE (Combiseries @ Nov 26 2005, 07:45 AM)
Yes PC gaming is so much better, and didn`t you know that you can emulate all those consoles on the PC anyway.

But what would be the point.......


Back to the opinion thing here again, I’m sorry but you can’t make a statement saying that PC gaming is so much better unless there is nobody in the world that disagrees with you. And let me tell you, there are PLENTY of people in the world that favor console gaming over PC gaming. I’m just not one of them, and in my opinion, the PC and consoles, overall, are equal. Now the word “overall” is very important here, because we all know that PC’s have better graphics then console games (at least most consoles, I’m not sure about the 360, it’s graphics are very comparable to PC’s, and in many cases, they are better), but consoles have certain attributes about them that are better then the PCs. For example, I couldn’t tell you how many times I was playing a PC game, and out of nowhere, the thing crashes on me. Yes, I know, consoles crash too, but not nearly as often as a PC. Why? Well, I think the following is a very logical reason; consoles are dedicated machines with no more then a handful of programs running at once. While windows on the other hand, has well over 25 programs running all at the same time, including the game. It’s just logical, the more you add, the more unstable something becomes. I guess it would be comparable to a stack of aluminum cans; you make a stack of two rows, two cans high, and it is fairly stable, but as you add more and more cans to the stack, it becomes more susceptible to wind, and gravity until if finally crashes. I don’t know, maybe that isn’t a very good analogy.

I’m not entirely sure what you meant when you said, “But what would be the point…” but I do know one thing, while you can emulate all those consoles; you defiantly can’t do it to a point that the games are actually playable. I have seen Xbox emulation, and the 5-10 FPS that you can get from that is hardly considered playable, same thing goes for the PS2, and Gamecube. I’m not sure about the Dreamcast though, as I have never tried a DC emulator. The only emulator I have ever used that was based on a console with 3d rendering capabilities was an Nintendo 64 emulator, to be more specific, project 64.

I had actually written down a paragraph of complaining about the lack of an x64 alcohol version and daemon tools, but when I went to daemon-tools.cc to check if I was spelling daemon correctly I was confronted with the phrase, “we released today the new X64-version of DaemonTools V4”. All I could think was, HOLY H**L!

http://www.daemon-to...nouncements.php

Does that mean that an x64 version of alcohol will be ready soon?

Edited by Soundfx4, 26 November 2005 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2005 - 11:37 PM

No, that doesnt mean that the new version of x64 alc will be out soon.

I have a PS2 to USB connector and play GTA:SA all the time on my PC with my PS2 controller.

It is my opinion that gaming is better on a PC then on a console, and whats more is that im entitled to that opinion. I have owend a nintendo (8-bit) SNES, gameboy, gameboy color, gameboy advance, N64, Sega (16 bit) Sega CD, Sega 32x add on, sega game gear, Sega Saturn, Sony Playstation and PS2. I have also had 2-3 different computers in that time span (early 90's to present) and still like gaming more on a PC. Compare the number of hours and its no competetion. Just with the Madden series on PS1-PS2 I've invested over 2000 hours of gaming. The Final Fantasy series, 7-10, has taken up another 1500-2000 hours of gaming time. And those are a drop in the bucket of water of console games I own. I remember burning up an old 8-bit NES playing Hogans Alley and Wild Gunman.

Your takeing offense to peoples posts for no reason, their not stated to be facts, which you took them as.

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 05:12 AM

@Phoenix: Yes, we have the same rules at our site. In case of people flooding our
inbox, we blacklist that email and ban the account on our forums. No better way
to deal with such people.

#20 Combiseries

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 01:27 PM

About my graphics card, it might only be a 9550 but it isn`t one of those SE things either. I once went to Evesham Computers and ordered what was advertised in the magasine as a 9550 and what I got was a 9550 SE. I said no thanks, I told him what the SE was about and he said he knew it meant Special Edition. Take it back I said. So I went elsewhere and paid an extra £20 quid for the 9550. Anyway enough babbling.

The 9550 on my computer is overclocked to a 9600 specification when I play games. Sometimes I don`t even need to overclock it. It does the job for the games that I play. Im not into Far Cry or Doom 3 or any other graphically intensive games that require high end graphics cards to run. Besides I couldn`t afford to buy one even if I would like one, which I do.

I bought a 9600 XT from ebay, its coming from Japan. I bet you any money it will still perform the same as the 9550. I won`t see any difference in the quality or the frame rates. Maybe I will, I`d be chuffed if I did. I once had a 3dMARk03 score of 6883 from my 9550 before it crashed on me while playing Battle for Middle Earth. After a cool off period and some reseting it was back to normal.

Im not rich enough to get a 9800 XT unless someone wants to give me one for free.

Back to the Console versus PC thing, the amount of keys on a keyboard gives you much more scope for selecting commands than any console pad could ever do. Granted, the console pad gives quite a few options, even when playing FPS games. But because of the PC and the Keyboard you get much more control over a game.

You don`t get games like X2 Reunion or Freelancer, or such like, eg. Flight Sims and there of on a console.

To me a console is for arcade type games, a PC is very much more suited to those simulation games and as a bonus do what a console can do, sometimes better.


With regards to emulation, and the frame rates you get with them. For one thing, what is the XBOX but an overrated PC. It uses a Celeron processor, the other parts inside are cheap also. You pay over the odds for it. You can even install Linux on the thing if you know how.

When emulation gets better, with better software and better PCs and better programming techniques you won`t be able to tell the difference.

Again, what would be the point when PC games are better anyway.

I traded in my Playstation2 so I could get a PC. I am well happy and I will never look back to consoles.

On another note, anyone want to buy a cheap Radeon 9550?




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