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#1 jjpuma

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 05:28 AM

I have emulated a cd with no visable protection when scanned by a-ray scanner, but when I run the emulation insertion of the cd into the physical drive is still requested. Any suggestions?

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 05:54 AM

QUOTE (jjpuma @ Aug 24 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have emulated a cd with no visable protection when scanned by a-ray scanner, but when I run the emulation insertion of the cd into the physical drive is still requested. Any suggestions?


What is this cd all about? Name, etc...?
Did you try ProtectionID as a scanner (instead of A-Ray)?

#3 zamiel

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 02:43 PM

No need to post a system report as you've already supplied one via email to the support team.

Did you scan the installation directory to?

#4 jjpuma

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (ptolomeus3 @ Aug 24 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (jjpuma @ Aug 24 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have emulated a cd with no visable protection when scanned by a-ray scanner, but when I run the emulation insertion of the cd into the physical drive is still requested. Any suggestions?


What is this cd all about? Name, etc...?
Did you try ProtectionID as a scanner (instead of A-Ray)?

OK- here it goes;
The CD is made in Iran, is in Farsi, and contains over fifty 1000+ page books-a complete thesaurus of
Persian words-each word taking up about a page in explanations including literary and poetic
terminology etc- all on one CD. I used the protectionID program you suggested (nice!) and have
included some of the results below. The CD key is the same on all store bought CD's for some reason-
and I have that, but can't find the other protections in the Alchohol drop down list (ASProtect and
TELock). Is there a way to make an image file that works without cd insertion as I don't like keeping a
CD in the drive (reason for Alchohol purchase) or should I just forget it?
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Scanning -> F:\Autorun.exe
File Type : Exe, Size : 844800 (0CE400h) Bytes
[!] Possible CD/DVD-Key or Serial Check -> SerialNumber
- Scan Took : 0.900 Seconds
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Scanning -> F:\setup\DEHKHODA.EXE
File Type : Exe, Size : 1273856 (0137000h) Bytes
[!] ASProtect v2.0 detected !
- Scan Took : 0.439 Seconds
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Scanning -> F:\setup\CDSX32R2.DLL
File Type : Dll, Size : 55296 (0D800h) Bytes
[!] TELock v0.98b1 detected !
- Scan Took : 0.870 Seconds
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Scanning -> F:\setup\L3p.exe
File Type : Exe, Size : 300176 (049490h) Bytes
-> File has 4240 (01090h) bytes of appended data starting at offset 048400h
- Scan Took : 0.689 Seconds

#5 ptolomeus3

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 12:24 AM

Hello jjpuma,

this is what I found for ASProtect: it is a compression and endcryption software, not a copy protection soft. TELock is approx. same kind of software. Both do mainly their job in compressing and encrypting the .exe and .dll which protects against patching and disassembling (which is highly illegal). Alcohol cannot handle this, because Alcohol just makes a workable back-up copy, but cannot patch and disassemble the .exe and .dll (which is, as said illegal).
Have you tried using the "general protected cd" in the image maker wizzard?

#6 jjpuma

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:52 AM

QUOTE (ptolomeus3 @ Aug 27 2007, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello jjpuma,

this is what I found for ASProtect: it is a compression and endcryption software, not a copy protection soft. TELock is approx. same kind of software. Both do mainly their job in compressing and encrypting the .exe and .dll which protects against patching and disassembling (which is highly illegal). Alcohol cannot handle this, because Alcohol just makes a workable back-up copy, but cannot patch and disassemble the .exe and .dll (which is, as said illegal).
Have you tried using the "general protected cd" in the image maker wizzard?


Hello Ptolomeus3,
Thank you for that info.
I'm not realy interested in decompressing or disassembling, as that would probably take up 10 CD's or more, although I'm sure there is a way to do it.
I have tried the general protect and have no problem making the emulation. When I run it on
the virtual drive the program will not accept the cd key after searching for it on the emulation and asks
for the CD to be inserted. I think the codes (protection) might be spread out though the CD in
unusual places where alchohol does not copy from(the offset mentioned in the last paragraph
above?). I don't know how to get around that or if I'm right. Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks
Jjpuma

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 07:36 AM

The serial number is usually asked to be given by the user during the installation, isn't it? unsure.gif

#8 jjpuma

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 12:00 PM

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QUOTE (Charalambos @ Aug 28 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The serial number is usually asked to be given by the user during the installation, isn't it? unsure.gif

Thats true, but each time the program runs it searches for the cd key and when it can't find it on the emulation requires it to be put in again and then says thats the wrong key. Anyway I end up having to put in the original cd and enter the key (which is the same for all the cd's of the software that are in the store). As I said this "key" which apparently checks for the original CD is stored in a hidden place on the cd, or in different places, or in a place where the head does not usually read data.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:57 PM

That sounds an awful lot like Starforce...

#10 jjpuma

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE (Jito463 @ Aug 29 2007, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That sounds an awful lot like Starforce...

Is that a new game? Maybe they copied that type of protection on this CD. Is there a way around it happy.gif ? Thank you.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 08:08 AM

No, Starforce is a rather nasty copy protection and unfortunately is of those ones that are used frequently.

#12 jjpuma

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (Charalambos @ Aug 29 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Starforce is a rather nasty copy protection and unfortunately is of those ones that are used frequently.

I did some reading on Starforce and from what I learned it messes with system files and puts rootkits on the computer in a "zero location" or something- as Alchohol seems to be doing-- and which you say is not true and is just a way of defeating the blacklist. Starforce was apparently beaten to death by users, on the grounds that it creates a safe haven for viruses, by boycoting any games made by them. laugh.gif . The protection I'm mentioning does not seem to be on the hard drive, but (perhaps) burned into the CD itself, in a 2nd layer, or in a zero location on the cd if thats possible.
Sorry to be a bother, Thought I'd try one more time. cool.gif
Thanks for any suggestions.

#13 jjpuma

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (jjpuma @ Sep 3 2007, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Charalambos @ Aug 29 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Starforce is a rather nasty copy protection and unfortunately is of those ones that are used frequently.

I did some reading on Starforce and from what I learned it messes with system files and puts rootkits on the computer in a "zero location" or something- as Alchohol seems to be doing-- and which you say is not true and is just a way of defeating the blacklist. Starforce was apparently beaten to death by users, on the grounds that it creates a safe haven for viruses, by boycoting any games made by them. laugh.gif . The protection I'm mentioning does not seem to be on the hard drive, but (perhaps) burned into the CD itself, in a 2nd layer, or in a zero location on the cd if thats possible.
Sorry to be a bother, Thought I'd try one more time. cool.gif
Thanks for any suggestions.

P.S. (added later)
Tried general protect with DPM, no result. Tried scanning with ID protect again and my anti virus program (AVG free) tried to remove it after giving a virus alert on ID protect! huh.gif

Edited by jjpuma, 03 September 2007 - 10:42 AM.


#14 jjpuma

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:03 AM

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 08:18 AM

I'm afraid that in this key-requiring case we won't be able to help you. If we new were this key is on the disk... it would just be interesting for the Development Team.

Edited by Charalambos, 14 September 2007 - 08:23 AM.


#16 jordan23

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 07:11 PM

Yes,that sounds an awful lot like Starforce.




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