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#1 Francisco

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 03:36 AM

Hi guys.. I beet you all know this all ready but SafeDisk version 3 is out. My 1st game to see to have this is COD=Call of Duty.

It would be great if you all can add this to the list copy protection.

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#2 Phoenix

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 11:24 AM

Alcohol can already back this protection up using Safedisc data type, however todate i have only checked this with my Plextor Premium and this produced a working back-up

#3 alex_voyager

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 12:45 AM

"Alcohol can already back this protection up using Safedisc data type, however todate i have only checked this with my Plextor Premium and this produced a working back-up"

That's not true...plex premium is not 100% EFM good writer...
I'm trying to copy "empires the dawn of the modern world" using plex, alcohol (no efm enabled in writing) and the result is that the copy is not good...during reading the weak sector 304.308 and more are bad (using a DVD pioneer). Reading the copy with plex premium only 1 weak sector is bad (308).

I'm trying to copy using my good LG 40X (100% efm burner and the copy is good on every reader!).

arggg plex!

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#4 Phoenix

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 11:08 AM

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####################### Dumping/Recording Progress Log #######################
17:41:41 Processor info: AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (1799MHz)
17:41:41 Disc dumping: (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0)
17:41:41 Reading Mode: RAW Mode , Fast skip error blocks
17:41:41 Source Info:  Session: 1, Track: 1, Length: 530.1 MB / 060:18:45
17:41:41 Writing image file: C:\Game images\FIFA2004_CD2.mdf
17:41:43 Read data examination error at: 2398
I have removed the read erros to save on space
But they are from 2398 to 11840
17:41:50 Read data examination error at: 11840
17:43:52 Disc dumping completed!
17:43:52 C:\Game images\FIFA2004_CD2.mds: Image file writing completed!


Here is my log.

I can assure you that the Plextor Premium backs this up with no problem, the backed up discs have been sent to an independent tester prior to distruction for evaluation and they install and run fine on his test PC.

I do not post information here for the hell of it, i post information that has been tested using Alcohol and those tests checked by a third party.

The Plextor premium has no problems backing up Safedisc 3.10.020 protected games discs.

#5 alex_voyager

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 01:25 PM

I don't understand...my copies written by plex premium are buggy on sector 304-308 (weak sector) but the same copy made with LG 40X is OK (the errors starts from sector 803....). (NOTE that EFM correction is disable on alcohol).
I'm trying to copy EMPIRES DAWM ON MODERN WORLD not FIFA 2004.

1. I thing that every game SD 3.10 protected copy has different weak sectors (in SD 2.9 are the same all games).
2. Or not all plex premium are 100% EFM writer sad.gif


Error from 2400 are not SD 3.10 !!
Are you sure that your fifa 2004 copy is SD3.10 copy protected?

Edited by alex_voyager, 11 November 2003 - 01:28 PM.


#6 Phoenix

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 03:14 PM

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Are you sure that your fifa 2004 copy is SD3.10 copy protected?


YES

And just to be certain i went out and purchased "EMPIRES DAWM ON MODERN WORLD"

I have just completed backing it up and installing it on my laptop The back-up installs and runs

Image created using Safedisc data type Image burned using Safedisc 2 data type EFM option left enabled.

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####################### Dumping/Recording Progress Log #######################
14:22:40 Processor info: AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (1799MHz)
14:22:40 Disc dumping: (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0)
14:22:40 Reading Mode: RAW Mode , Fast skip error blocks
14:22:40 Source Info:  Session: 1, Track: 1, Length: 460.2 MB / 052:21:51
14:22:40 Writing image file: C:\Game images\EDMW_1.mdf
14:22:40 Read data examination error at: 807
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14:24:38 Disc dumping completed!
14:24:38 C:\Game images\EDMW_1.mds: Image file writing completed!
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####################### Dumping/Recording Progress Log #######################
14:57:59 Processor info: AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (1799MHz)
14:57:59 Memory Available to Windows: 785,904 KB
14:57:59 Memory Buffer size: 128 MB
14:57:59 Starting EFM Error Bypass Engine
14:57:59 Image file loading: C:\Game images\EDMW_1.mds
14:57:59 Source Info:  Session: 1, Track: 1, Length: 460.2 MB / 052:21:51
14:58:03 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): Recording Method/Speed
14:58:03 Recording - RAW DAO - 52X (7800 KB/Sec)
(H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): RAW DAO Write Mode - RAW-PW(96)
14:58:04 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): BURN-Free activated
14:59:51 Image file loading completed!
15:00:23 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): Recording completed successfully!
15:00:23 Elapsed Time:  00:02:19, Average speed: 23.8X
15:00:26 All recording procedures have been completed!
15:00:26 Elapsed Time: 00:02:24
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####################### Dumping/Recording Progress Log #######################
14:26:42 Processor info: AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (1799MHz)
14:26:42 Disc dumping: (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0)
14:26:42 Reading Mode: RAW Mode , Fast skip error blocks
14:26:42 Source Info:  Session: 1, Track: 1, Length: 440.8 MB / 050:08:64
14:26:42 Writing image file: C:\Game images\EDMW_2.mdf
14:28:37 Disc dumping completed!
14:28:37 C:\Game images\EDMW_2.mds: Image file writing completed!
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####################### Dumping/Recording Progress Log #######################
15:03:23 Processor info: AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+ (1799MHz)
15:03:23 Memory Available to Windows: 785,904 KB
15:03:23 Memory Buffer size: 128 MB
15:03:23 Starting EFM Error Bypass Engine
15:03:23 Image file loading: C:\Game images\EDMW_2.mds
15:03:23 Source Info:  Session: 1, Track: 1, Length: 440.8 MB / 050:08:64
15:03:33 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): Recording Method/Speed
15:03:33 Recording - RAW DAO - 52X (7800 KB/Sec)
(H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): RAW DAO Write Mode - RAW-PW(96)
15:03:33 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): BURN-Free activated
15:05:17 Image file loading completed!
15:05:50 (H:) PLEXTOR CD-R  PREMIUM (1:0): Recording completed successfully!
15:05:50 Elapsed Time:  00:02:16, Average speed: 23.4X
15:05:52 All recording procedures have been completed!
15:05:52 Elapsed Time: 00:02:26
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Now if you want to disbelieve me fine. If you want me to send you the backed-up discs prior to Distruction so that you can test them for your self then send me a pm with your home address in.

Untill then i stick by what i have said.

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Alcohol can already back this protection up using Safedisc data type, however todate i have only checked this with my Plextor Premium and this produced a working back-up


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Posted 12 November 2003 - 02:59 PM

My Plextor Premium performs nowhere near that speed. I haven't had the patience to see where it ended, as I turned to my LITEON drive which produced a result much like the one you posted in the log. I tried my Call of Duty CD and my FIFA 2004 CD.

Is there some sort of firmware upgrade needed?

Edited by bunix, 12 November 2003 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2003 - 09:56 PM

I tried to make an image of FIFA 2004 on a Liteon 5224. There was no problem to create the image with the safedisc2 profile. biggrin.gif However, after I installed the game from the images (CD1 and CD2) and tried to run it from the CD2 image, I got a message "Please insert the correct disc". sad.gif
Did I fail to set some special options in order to run it properly or what went wrong with my image?
Any ideas? unsure.gif

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Posted 16 November 2003 - 04:02 PM

Is EFM option needed with Plextor Premium and lastest version of Alcohol for copying SD 2.9/3.10 games?

Some on CDFREAKS' forum reports it will work only with EFM option checked; others it can't work in any way with alcohol (with EFM enabled or disabled) and to use the lastest version of Clone CD + AWS for copying SD 3.10 games correctly!

Why not to tweak EFM algoritm to work well with Premium?

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Posted 17 November 2003 - 11:48 AM

Phoenix can you tweak EFM as Clone's AWS in a way it will work with Premium?

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Posted 17 November 2003 - 01:02 PM

I have not tweaked anything to create my back upīs i have tested this now on two game titles and produced a working back upīs

You can see the settings for my image creation and burn in the log files a few posts up.

If you have any other game titles you would like me to test i am willing to do so.

I have done Fifa 2004 3.10.020 and EMPIRES DAWM ON MODERN WORLD also 3.10.020 both back ups install and run from my Teac DW 224E on my lap top have not tried all the drives in my main PC at this time, but back ups were sent for testing before Distruction to a third party who had no problem installing and running them on his system.

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Posted 17 November 2003 - 08:29 PM

http://club.cdfreaks...25&pagenumber=2

Go here and read the thread: Problems are with SD 2.9 and not with 3.10! 2.9 seems to be more picky and to have different weak sectors than 3.10 that EFM option can't process correctly with Premium so the copy doesn't work in Toshiba drives!
While CloneCD's AWS algorithm works flawlessly with Premium and SD 2.9! You should simply implement AWS in Alcohol! smile.gif

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Posted 19 November 2003 - 08:27 PM

Any news Phoenix?
Have you tried other sd 2.9 games?

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Posted 17 December 2003 - 01:12 AM

i heard that some plex premium can`t do SD2.9/3x without emulation.

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Posted 19 December 2003 - 08:29 PM

Yes it can do it without emulation but ALWAYS with Bypass EFM option checked!
Bypass EFM doesn't emulate anything; it simply amplify weak sectors in a way the burner witch is only "one sheep" can write them correctly!
A copy made with one sheep burner with Bypass EFM checked that works in all drives and one made with a 2 sheep burner is EXACTLY THE SAME!
NO EMULATION IS NEEDED for RUN THE COPY!

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Posted 22 December 2003 - 01:40 PM

Hello
I have a Plex Premium and all i can say is the Copys DON'T WORK even my Lite On 52327 S has problems u can test your Copy just read it back to see where the weak Sectors are and take a look here if u can read German

http://forum.alcohol...?showtopic=8968

#17 TeRmInAtOr 3

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Posted 25 December 2003 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (Hauptbrandmeister @ Dec 22 2003, 10:35 AM)
Hello
I have a Plex Premium and all i can say is the Copys DON'T WORK even my Lite On 52327 S has problems u can test your Copy just read it back to see where the weak Sectors are and take a look here if u can read German

http://forum.alcohol...?showtopic=8968

with alcohol or clonecd?
the link was with clonecd and the latest can`t do SD 2.9/3x.
don`t know why.


and Merry Christmas to all :il: .

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Posted 26 December 2003 - 01:02 AM

Alcohol + Clone-CD

#19 TeRmInAtOr 3

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Posted 28 December 2003 - 08:23 PM

why not alcohol(read+write) then you will be sure..

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 03:46 PM

i read in some forums that the plex premium "isn't really a two sheep burner". What is meant with it?
I know this place isn't quite the right one for this post, but maybe it has got something to do with it... ? I'm not sure

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