MiniImage?
#1
Posted 18 December 2004 - 12:41 PM
And trying to be smart and all I say, "Ya, I've been thinking of that too"
Now just what the bloody heck is a MiniImage and how does it work?
#2
Posted 18 December 2004 - 12:59 PM
#3
Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:09 PM
Hmm, however since it will b made from an original and not be used by others than me I don't see the real problem..?
Care to tell me where I could find one of these, or would that be asking a little too much?
#4
Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:13 PM
#5
Posted 18 December 2004 - 03:14 PM
Edited by Phoenix, 18 December 2004 - 09:38 PM.
#6
Posted 18 December 2004 - 04:03 PM
Yes it is in question, but so is what you are doing as well.
#7
Posted 18 December 2004 - 05:03 PM
Ben
#8
Posted 18 December 2004 - 09:11 PM
#9
Posted 18 December 2004 - 09:43 PM
While I am unsure about the legality issues here, I am erring on the side of caution and have removed your post information.
The method you have described seems to me to remove the copy protection from the original disc, to do this is not legal.
Alcohol does not remove or alter the original disc to do so would be against the EULA of the disc in question. So until I seek advice from our legal Dept I am afraid I have had no alternative other than to remove the information in your post.
Like shawn-nee said
#10
Posted 18 December 2004 - 10:59 PM
I thought it was the other way around, removing all data and just keep the copy protection on the image...
In fact it's just another way of emulating the original disks, since the data is not altered, only removed.
If these images are illegal then any backup that needs emulation is also illegal.
#11
Posted 18 December 2004 - 11:03 PM
Thats the point!! you are not allowed to remove data from the origional disc, Alcohol does not remove any origional data
#12
Posted 19 December 2004 - 01:08 PM
Ben
Edited by bcn_246, 19 December 2004 - 01:19 PM.
#13
Posted 19 December 2004 - 01:11 PM
`(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;
Doesnt that make Alcohol illegal?
I would say that Alcohol "avoids" and "bypasses" the copy protection.
Mini-images are as legal as normal images from what I can see, as the copy protection data is still there.
This section of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) can be found HERE
Ben
ps. philamber (a lawyer from CDFreaks) looked into this, and decided that instructions on how to make a mini-image where legal, but posting of the actual images was illegal.
Edited by bcn_246, 19 December 2004 - 01:20 PM.
#14
Posted 19 December 2004 - 02:11 PM
`(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;
Doesnt that make Alcohol illegal?
No, because Alcohol does not "circumvent" the copy protection. It duplicates it, or emulates it. Either way, it retains the protection on the disc. This was why 321 Studios got in trouble with their game copying software. It *did* remove the protection. Alcohol does not.
#15
Posted 20 December 2004 - 01:02 AM
Thats the point!! you are not allowed to remove data from the origional disc, Alcohol does not remove any origional data
Since when is it illegal to create a disc without any data on it?
It would probably be illegal to remove a part of the data, but when all data is removed it's just an empty disc with copy protection on it
And err... since 1:1 copies of copy protected discs are impossible to make, this means that any backup made with Alcohol does NOT contain exactly the same data as the original CD, thus making Alcohol illegal (as some data on the backup is 'altered')
Edited by Reef, 20 December 2004 - 01:08 AM.
#16
Posted 20 December 2004 - 04:41 AM
A distinction has to be drawn between the program recorded on the disc (invariably subject to copyright and which you do not own but for which you merely have a licence) and the physical structure of the actual disc itself (which is not subject to copyright and which you do own).
Most copy protections rely upon the physical structure of the disc which is not, itself, subject to copyright. As a general rule (laws do vary from country to country), if the program is not altered as part of the recording process, it matters little that the physical structure of the media on which it is recorded is different from that on which the original was recorded, the physical structure of the original being either imitated or emulated on the copy so as to enable the copy to work.
Indeed, physical structure of cds protected by e.g. securom can only ever be imitated or emulated since it isn't possible to buy blank media for consumer use with the necessary physical characteristics. However, that doesn't make either an RMPS emulation or a twinpeak/twincreator copy illegal since, in neither case is the copyright program itself altered. What is done is to emulate (RMPS) or imitate (twinpeak/twincreator) the physical structure of the original cd which is not subject to copyright.
#17
Posted 20 December 2004 - 04:23 PM
That may be good enough for CdFreaks, but he doesnot work for Alcohol, so we have to go by what the Alcohol lawyers say. Again tyhis is all still a fine line that seems to be tip-toed on to much right now. Lets just agree to disagree on the subject and move on to more happier thoughts like Christmas or which ever holiday you celebrate.
Happy Holidays to all!!!!
#18
Posted 21 December 2004 - 12:46 AM
True enough but, of course, like you, I am a beta tester.
[Btw, you are correct in stating that it is a grey area and there is a very fine line with respect to mini-images between legality and illegality insofar as the laws of most countries are concerned. This is particularly so with respect to starforce mini-images. It should also be remembered that CD Freaks is based in Holland where copyright laws are a little more relaxed than in many other countries and what is ok for that forum is not necessarily ok here.]
flips/philamber
Edited by flips, 21 December 2004 - 12:49 AM.
#19
Posted 21 December 2004 - 03:32 AM
Until Phoenix informs us otherwise we will not support these mini images due to their questionable legality. Cheers.
#20
Posted 21 December 2004 - 10:57 AM
Ben
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