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[shawn_nee]

check out this MSN article GTA court case

Atleast the jury found him guily instead of letting the game take the heat. but Take-Two still has to deal with the civil suit filed.

[Jito463]

Why can't people realize that even if he did it because of playing the game, it's because he was messed up in the head to begin with? Video games are nothing more than scapegoats right now for people to offload their guilt onto. You know, I used to play a ton of Mario as a kid. I can't say I ever tried jumping on anyone's head or used my own head to try and bust bricks above me.

[Charalambos]

While the judge barred jurors from hearing testimony linking the 2003 shootings to the game, defense lawyer Jim Standridge reminded them that Moore, after his arrest, told police, “Life is a video game; everybody has to die sometime.”

Officers had taken Moore to police headquarters for booking on a stolen auto charge. Authorities said Moore, who was 18 at the time, grabbed one of the officer’s guns and fatally shot all three victims in the head before fleeing in a patrol car.

I think that says it all. This boy desided to do the GTA stuff in real life... It surely isn't the game that forced him to take that decision but it seems that the countless hours that he spent slaughtering and enjoying the bloodshed while playing it weren't a good influence or inspiration for him at all.

[shawn_nee]

used my own head to try and bust bricks above me.

If you look really close he actually uses his hand to bust the bricks.


I can say that I have tried throwing veggies at people to make them go away, but it didnt work all the time.

[Robbo]

Its allways the easiest way to blame others if something goes wrong, this i hate especially in all the child abuse cases that seem to be the rage around the world at the moment, using the excuse that they themselves were abused or had a bad childhood just doesnt cut it in my view if there lives were so bad then i would find it normal when the would do everything to stop there kids going through what they went through.

If it isnt the good old video Games then its Music, how many times have the likes of Marilyn Manson or Ozzy Osbourne etc etc been blamed for youths going out and hosing down there schools and classmates because they heard messages after playing the album backwards or whatever. Maybe questions should be asked how these people can allways so easily get there hands on the weapons that they use.

[2005]

GTA:SA is a video game, it is an inanament object... it has no will nor any morals. It cannot MAKE anyone do anything, people are influenced by it but they DONT have to do anything on account of a non living object. Same deal as a gun, a gun never killed anybody... PEOPLE kill PEOPLE, guns cant do anything you dont make them do.

[Charalambos]

Maybe questions should be asked how these people can allways so easily get their hands on the weapons that they use.

What's going on there in USA guys? Is it true that everybody can have a weapon without any control? Here in Greece to have a weapon you must have a licence, and to obtain it you must explain why you need it( there must be a serious reason e.g. a life threat) and, if I know it right, be examined by a psychiatrist( isn't it really neccessary?). Having or, even more, using a weapon without a licence just sends you to prison! Are we... primitive somehow?

[shawn_nee]

Wow you have moore protection from guns then we do. For most guns you just have to wait 7 days to buy it. But you can walk in to most gun stores and walk out with weapons. You can even go to Oshmans, Walmart, used to be K-Mart, Acadamy sports, even a few super Targets here in Texas sell guns. For Texas you are allowed to still have a gun rack in your truck with your rifles on it. They cant be loaded, but still show in plain view.

[Tron]

We in the USA have the right to have guns.... Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you outlaw guns then they will use baseball bats, so you would have to outlaw those. Then they will use knives so we would have to outlaw those too. Where do you stop? It is time to make the individual responsible for their action and stop blaming objects and games and music! If someone wants to kill someone they will find a way.

[shawn_nee]

I had a friend who used to joke that since he was a 3rd degree blackbelt he had to register his hands as lethal weapons, so by that logic he would have to have his hands cut off. sounds good, I never liked him all that much anyway.

[Jito463]

Heck, you can kill someone with a pen if you jam it in their eye far enough (not that I've ever tried, just seen it done in movies ) . Anything can be a weapon if someone really wants it to be, so I agree with you Tron.

[Tron]

Well I just get so tired of people trying to pass more laws and ban things when that will do absolutely no good. Ban all the guns you want, the criminals already have the guns or can get them illegally. These bans do one thing, make it harder for people like me, who abide by the law and would never kill anyone, to get a gun for hunting or target shooting or home protection....

[Robbo]

Well I just get so tired of people trying to pass more laws and ban things when that will do absolutely no good. Ban all the guns you want, the criminals already have the guns or can get them illegally. These bans do one thing, make it harder for people like me, who abide by the law and would never kill anyone, to get a gun for hunting or target shooting or home protection....

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the problem is more that the wrong people get the bloody things and its not only America now the same has happened in the UK and also in Germany in the last few years, one thing that i dont agree with is the ability to go and get yourself a Kalashnikov or M16 as you dont need these sort of things to go hunting or even for target shooting.

Legislation regarding guns needs tightening up i feel where those who wish to have one need to go on a course to learn about guns how to use them and also how to store them when not in use etc etc.

Dont get me wrong im not anti gun but one thing that i learnt when i was in the army regarding guns was safety saftey saftey which is one thing that to a great extent is missing when civilians have/get guns.

[Charalambos]

Dont get me wrong im not anti gun but one thing that i learnt when i was in the army regarding guns was safety saftey saftey which is one thing that to a great extent is missing when civilians have/get guns.

Why should an individual have a gun without really needing it? For "self deffence"?
Then why does the police exist? Here in Greece, whenever we see on TV that a student shot and killed some of his teachers and schoolmates in his school in the US, we just think: "Oh, well, it happened one more time... and God knows how many more times it will happen." You see, people are the one who kill but they can't kill without a weapon.

[Jito463]

But that's the thing, Charalambos. If people can't get guns, they'll just find another way to kill. Make a bomb, grab a bat, grab a knife, etc. People will find a way to kill - regardless of the weapon - if they really want to. Don't get me wrong, I don't own a gun nor do I feel the need to have one. But I would willingly defend the rights of those who do own guns, because if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

[shawn_nee]

ok I just saw this on a website and had to post it.

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[Charalambos]

If people can't get guns, they'll just find another way to kill. Make a bomb, grab a bat, grab a knife, etc.

Well, with a gun you can kill much more people than with a knife: With a knife you can kill one or two before being disarmed, with a riffle you can kill from distance decads of people including anyone that tries to reach you.

But I would willingly defend the rights of those who do own guns, because if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

As I wrote:

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Why should an individual have a gun without really needing it? For "self deffence"?
Then why does the police exist?

Outlaws need weapons to terrorise the other people and to battle with the police, normal citizens need them for what? To battle the outlaws? Any specialist would say that if you are threatened by a gun the best thing you have to do is to just "cooperate"... and the worst to try to use a gun yourself- especially if you are not alone!...

[Tron]

Outlaws do not get the guns from the store, they just get them blackmarket. You can NEVER stop them. All the laws in the world wont stop them. They only stop law abiding citizens. As for the police, by the time they show up, the criminal is gone, all they have left to do is find out who killed you. Guns are good, and I absolutely need a gun for home defense. It is my right too. People are too willing to give up their rights because they think that it will be safer, when in fact all you are doing is disarming the innocent people. Which makes it easier for criminals to rob and kill because now they know that the person they are after will not have a gun to fight back. Criminals want to pass these gun bans, makes their life of crime much safer. Here in the States the highest crime rates are in places that have gun bans. Washington DC has gun bans, and they are our highest crime area and have the highest murder rate! Florida used to be bad too, but they passed the "Right to carry" law so that citizens were allowed to carry concealed weapons and protect themselves and the crime rate really dropped. You can believe what you want, but the statistics speak for themselves.

[zamiel]

While I agree with some aspects of what people are saying there still needs to be more control on the possession and import of guns in the U.S. Mike Moore illustrated in Bowling for Columbine that a bank was giving away a gun with every new account opened. "Why thanks, now give me all your money".

He also illustrated that just over the border in Canada, they don't have anywhere near amount of violent crimes as they do in the U.S.

In NZ there are a number of violent crimes a year, but very few of them actually involve guns, a samauri sword maybe, but not guns.

Does this mean NZer's are just less "tigger happy" than their U.S counterparts? No, I don't think so, many New Zealand people enjoy hunting. I believe there are a number of reasons:

A. Gun control is tighter here. You have to jump through hoops to get a license.

B. We do not have the right to bare arms.

C. If someone next door has a gun for whatever reason, we as a neighbour don't feel the same way. It's a cascading affect, if everyone has a gun....

D. Our police do not carry guns.

Whilst some may pick holes in the above and who knows, in a few years we may have more incidents of violent crimes involving guns because of these policies/practices, but at the moment...

We can probably agree on one aspect, the penalty for violent crimes is not harsh enough deterent in the first place.

[Tron]

It was proved that most of that movie was a bunch of fabrications and lies. He took things out of context. Mike Moore is nothing more than a lying communist.